This is a lesson in reading the notes.
Begin with
Carter, Susan B. , “Labor force, employment, and unemployment: 1890–1990.” Table Ba470-477 in Historical Statistics of the United States, Earliest Times to the Present: Millennial Edition, edited by Susan B. Carter, Scott Sigmund Gartner, Michael R. Haines, Alan L. Olmstead, Richard Sutch, and Gavin Wright. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2006.
Read the footnotes! Then have a look at
Weir, David R. “A Century of U.S. Unemployment, 1890-1990: Revised Estimates and Evidence for Stabilization.” Research in Economic History 14 (1992): 301-346.
And, well, you could stop right there, but that would be missing the fun. But inasmuch as neither of these sources is easy to get hold of, let me explain why this is such a fun topic.
Used to be, the unemployment series for the 1930s looked like this:
This is from a series constructed by the distinguished economist Stanley Lebergott in 1964.1
And wow, that looks bad, doesn’t it? The recession of 1937-38 almost completely wipes out any gains of the previous few years. It’s almost as if the New Deal didn’t do anything for anyone, much.
A lot of people looked at these numbers without reading the notes on how they were constructed and concluded just that.
Then in 1976, an economist named Michael R. Darby wrote an article with the delightfully self-explanatory title, “Three-and-a-Half Million U.S. Employees Have Been Mislaid.”2 What Darby did, you see, was read the notes. Here’s what Lebergott had to say about counting unemployment in the 1930s:
These estimates for the years prior to 1940 are intended to measure the number of persons who are totally unemployed, having no work at all. For the 1930’s this concept, however, does include one large group of persons who had both work and income from work—those on emergency work. In the United States we are concerned with measuring lack of regular work and do not minimize the total by excluding persons with made work or emergency jobs. This contrasts sharply, for example, with the German practice during the 1930’s when persons in the labor-force camps were classed as employed, and Soviet practice which includes employment in labor camps, if it includes it at all, as employment.3
Did you catch that? People who painted murals for the WPA fall into the same category as internees in Mauthausen or the gulag. So they count as unemployed!
One could say a few things about that.
(1) Wow, that’s a lot of ideology to cram into a single data series;
(2) if you’re using the unemployment data to answer the question, “did the New Deal help people,” then this data set is going to give you the wrong answer, because it’s going to show people suffering unemployment who in real life had a job, as Lebergott says;
(3) but what if people in emergency work acted like the unemployed—i.e., they were looking for a job and
(4) what about the “real” economy—the private industrial economy—how did it do?
Now, as it happens it looks like the answer to (3) is, mainly they didn’t—people who had an emergency job acted like they had a job (perhaps because they had a job) and probably shouldn’t count as unemployed.4
And if you don’t count these people who held jobs as unemployed, you get a different picture of unemployment in the 1930s. Below, a graph showing the same series as the above, then a new series—from Weir’s table D3, which also appears in Historical Statistics of the United States—that counts only people without jobs as unemployed.
Now, if you look at that, you might think wow, the Depression was really bad, but the New Deal really helped.
Weir also said, if you’re worried about item (4)—if you want to look only at the “real” economy, i.e., private nonfarm jobs—I’ll make it possible for you to do that too, constructing a series of private nonfarm unemployment and leaving the government out of it entirely. If we add that to our graph, we get this:
So again, here, we see significant improvement under the New Deal.
Now, if faced with these alternatives, you chose data based on Lebergott’s assumptions, you would be presenting the data that showed the New Deal in the worst possible light, wouldn’t you.
1Stanley Lebergott, Manpower in Economic Growth: The American Record since 1800 (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1964), table A-3.
2Michael R. Darby, “Three-and-a-Half Million U.S. Employees Have Been Mislaid: Or, an Explanation of Unemployment, 1934-1941,” Journal of Political Economy 84, no. 1 (February 1976): 1-16.
3Cited in Darby, 3; Lebergott, 184-5.
4Robert A. Margo, “The Microeconomics of Depression Unemployment,” NBER Working Paper no. 18, December 1990.
36 comments
October 10, 2008 at 2:58 pm
bitchphd
Sometimes I really love academics.
October 10, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Vance
Isn’t this what Amity Shlaes did too, forty-odd years later?
October 10, 2008 at 3:14 pm
eric
Vance, Shlaes used a series (Vedder and Gallaway) that produced monthly numbers based on Lebergott’s assumptions. That’s why I linked to my review of her book.
October 10, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Vance Maverick
Dang, missed the link again. Never mind.
October 10, 2008 at 3:47 pm
eric
B, you do hold a PhD.
October 10, 2008 at 4:48 pm
TF Smith
I don’t know why, but everytime I see Amity Schleas’ name, I read it as Modesty Blaze (or Blaise)…stuck in the ’80s, I guess.
October 10, 2008 at 4:59 pm
bitchphd
I think my PhD is in a box somewhere.
October 10, 2008 at 5:09 pm
PorJ
Question for the esteemed historians here: 100 years from now, will both 9/11 and the Iraq War be nothing more than slight bumps on the way to this financial catastrophe? I’m asking because I read something (can’t find it now) that this past week the stock market lost the equivalent of more than 1,000 times what we’ve spent on Iraq since the implementation of the Iraq regime change policy in 1998 (basically, every penny we’ve spent on Iraq for a decade). Before everyone takes offense, I understand how offensive it is to compare pocketbook/economic issues to 4,000+ deaths and the thousands (hundreds of thousands) of damaged lives, etc. etc. But I’m still going to plunge ahead in the spirit of inquiry*
What I mean is if this economic disaster plays itself fully out – i.e.: credit remains frozen despite attempts to loosen it up- its going to cause serious damage and personally and directly affect many more American families than either 9/11 or Iraq. I heard somebody making the argument that these events can’t be divorced; that the 9/11 attack was designed to cripple the economy, and everything that followed – the stock crisis in 2001-2002, which led to loosening of credit and the housing boom, which combined with spending on the Iraq War and Homeland Security, created the bubble which is popping now.
I’m curious about the scale of all this and what the future will tell us in historical perspective. It wasn’t too long ago that everyone assumed the question of Iraq would dominate the 2008 presidential election cycle (and that Iraq’s future – according to Ari on one of these threads – would be the primary determinant of GWBush’s future evaluation by historians). Does the scale of this economic collapse basically consign everything else to the dustbin of history?
(I have no idea, that’s why I’m asking the learned people on this thread)
*Being offensive didn’t stop the authors of “Time on the Cross” from using econometrics to tell us slaves were (materially) better off without freedom – so I figure historians wont knock offensive inquiry.
October 10, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Jonathan Rees
Sorry to use this post to forward my personal crusade to get people to recognize underemployment both during the 1930s and today as a serious problem, but it does seem relevant here. I don’t know the statistics, but every large manufacturing company that I’ve ever looked shared work during the 1930s. In other words, people who were technically employed might only get 10-20 hours of work/week during the Depression in order to keep others on the payroll too. And I’ve never seen the term “emergency work” used in this context.
Even today, Walmart defines people with as little as 28 hours per week as full time. I have no idea if anyone has bothered to measure this or whether the statistics to measure it even exist, but it is just as big a problem as unemployment. Indeed, by fixating on unemployment this problem is completely missed.
PS This comment should not be interpreted as anti-Roosevelt. It’s more anti-Walmart. Of course FDR helped people, otherwise he wouldn’t have been re-elected three times.
October 10, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Melissa
This is so interesting. Thanks.
October 11, 2008 at 11:13 am
student
Fine statistical refutation of the ideologues. It’s incredible that Amity Shlaes has gotten away with that her nonsense. She had some godawfull column in the Washington Post a few months ago, but perhaps in light of the new situation, it might be hard for her to get published.
October 11, 2008 at 9:59 pm
eric
Jonathan Rees—right, underemployment was a big deal; a lot of employment during the 1930s was part-time, though the story that usually gets told there is, people thought it was better for two people each to have a piece of a job. Different from WalMartization, I think.
PorJ—I don’t think this implosion will overshadow Iraq in future assessments of the Bush presidency, mainly because its causes were bigger than the Bush presidency (afaict). Whereas Iraq belongs solely to the Bush presidency, and I think will remain its signature.
But what do historians know about the future?
October 11, 2008 at 10:19 pm
urbino
The Depression situation seems more like one of those, oh, what do they call it?, um, oh yeah, shared sacrifice situations. Walmartization is just screwing the little guy.
October 12, 2008 at 9:30 am
Walt
I think 9/11 and the crash will neatly bracket Bush’s Presidency, the way the Depression and World War 2 bracket FDR’s.
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November 10, 2008 at 4:57 am
franzneumann
“Before everyone takes offense, I understand how offensive it is to compare pocketbook/economic issues to 4,000+ deaths and the thousands (hundreds of thousands) of damaged lives, etc. etc.”
What’s offensive – truly so – is that you’ve ignored several hundred thousands other deaths while trying to pay homage to the dead.
Sorry, nothing useful to add – an avid reader of the blog/comments and just taken aback enough to post.
November 11, 2008 at 7:45 am
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December 21, 2008 at 2:58 pm
jim hitchman
Hello: I am a retired historian and have to give 2 lectures on the New Deal. In burrowing into numbers for those aided by all forms of public assistance, and those not assisted, in any given month, I find it difficult to arrive at an accurate number. Any help would be appreciated.
December 21, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Hemlock
You’ve probably “burrowed” into primary sources, so I’ll defer to your research. I’m mostly familiar with secondary sources. Does your definition of “public assistance” refer to relief programs initiated during the 100 days? I do know that historian James Patterson argues that by Feb. 1934, New Deal relief agencies on the state and national levels provided support for 22% of the U.S. population (28 million). This number makes sense, given that New Deal relief legislation targeted approximately 33% of the total population (at first). I’ll check FFF, Anxious Decades, Short Intro, End of Reform, and the rest to make sure.
Still, these numbers are seriously open to question. Statistics are most help with clearly defined parameters and subjects. For example, indentured servants (defined as any form of free labor contract) v. slaves (defined as unfree labor) in a given fiscal year is a relatively “easy” and useful number for evidentiary purposes…but this can be complicated with questions concerning the nature of labor in a “plantation” economy. Exactly what is Chewbacca, eh?
In addition, studies of the New Deal emphasize variance across U.S. demographic strata, time, place, and space. Blacks especially were excluded—see stats in Ira Katznelson’s When Affirmation Action Was White; for women, see Suzanne Mettler’s Divided Citizens.
From what I’ve learned thus far, the New Deal is (obviously) defined as a change through time. Thus implementation of FERA policies and the provisions of the 1935 Social Security Act greatly changed these numbers and percentages. Perhaps more important, the 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act is marked by a number of scholars as the legislative (not necessarily socioeconomic) origins of the “Civil Rights Movement.”
Numbers are useful if you have specific questions, but remain problematic (again, from my own limited experience) with contested signs. Language gets in the way, eh? (“public assistance,” “any given month (when?”). Hell, in a self-critical way, “slavery” itself remains a gendered concept and operates under principles of paradigm exclusion.
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January 10, 2009 at 9:01 am
Cugel
What a superb blog! This is quite timely and informational.
Of course, once again the obvious truth emerges: the New Deal did a lot to help reduce unemployment, but they were hampered by fearing to do too much, Republican and S.Ct. resistance and significant pockets of unemployment remained.
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February 23, 2009 at 6:11 am
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March 18, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Jim Jones
I would like to see a solid academic argument that explains why the 9/11 attacks would cripple the economy in the long run. What specifically causes a nationwide decline in value of all companies?
More specifically, we were attacked by the Japanese in 1942. This was followed by an explosion in growth as the country built up for war. Shouldn’t we have seen a deep recession in the years that followed the Pearl Harbor attacks?
March 18, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Vance
Jim, I don’t think anyone is claiming what you think you’re claiming about 9/11. Also, Pearl Harbor was in 1941.
March 18, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Vance
Sorry, I mean “what you seem to think they’re claiming”.
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