Franklin Roosevelt’s worst decision was Executive Order 9066, “Authorizing the Secretary of War to Prescribe Military Areas”, which is to say, interning Americans of Japanese descent.
The decision for internment had nothing to do with intelligence (particularly, as often alleged, from MAGIC cables) and everything to do with the conviction that “a Jap is a Jap,” as General John DeWitt said. I’ve never been very happy with historical explanations that start and end with “it’s racism,” but really … it’s racism. You can tell of course because there’s no similar simultaneous effort against Americans of German descent. You can tell because of Japoteurs and “Slap the Dirty Little Jap” and lots of other examples.
For my family, the war was the European war. My grandfather, a German-born American, had no trouble the way Japanese Americans did; he flew a bomber for the US in the war. We had the luxury of remembering the war the way white people often do – without considering how much better we’ve had it because of our whiteness.
It’s profoundly difficult to integrate the psychology of the Pacific War and the European War for the US, either when considering them from the standpoint of history or of memory.


30 comments
February 4, 2012 at 12:33 am
Farah Mendlesohn (@effjayem)
There is an argument some historians make that WW2 *created* modern American Whiteness. Prior to that there are proper Americans, of British descent; second class Almost Americans of German or Scandinavian stock; third class Americans of Irish Stock; and the Dubious Americans of Jewish or Italian stock who are just a bit too dark and not quite Right. It’s very noticeable the way in which the US war movies start to “represent” these groups and present them as All American. I think there is a Norman Rockwell painting that does the same.
February 4, 2012 at 3:40 am
Dave
Racism and Pearl Harbor, surely? It was the 9/11 de leurs jours…
February 4, 2012 at 8:13 am
kevin
How bad was the wartime racism against Japanese Americans? Check out this cartoon from none other than dear old Dr. Seuss.
February 4, 2012 at 12:39 pm
ben
The newspapers that were on display at Manzanar several years ago when I was there were eye-opening and frankly shocking in an incredibly depressing way.
February 5, 2012 at 10:58 am
JWL
I worked with a guy who told me the following story. Shortly after December 7th, his uncle was driving along southern California’s coast highway when he hit and struck a pedestrian. He panicked, and ran. Twenty miles-or-so down the road he pulled himself together, turned around, and returned to the scene of the crime. The pedestrian had been killed. Even so, my friend’s uncle sought out a cop on the scene, and confessed. The cop told him, “You’re lucky it was only a Jap”, and cut him loose.
February 5, 2012 at 6:05 pm
JAFD
The first six months of 1942 were, perhaps, the all-time low point in the history of ‘Western Civilization’, after the ‘slide’ from the Belle Epoque through WW I and the Depression to the Axis high tide. Good people, having seen the collapses of Norway and France, panicked.
I’ve read, somewhere, that the Japanese were the only immigrant group in US history never associated with organized ‘ethnic’ criminality – the only group ever to make it to the middle class through sheer ‘primitive accumulation’. A factor in the prejudice against them ?
February 5, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Cheryl Rofer
Not to mention integrating the history of the Eastern Front in Europe, which is only just now beginning to be written about in America.
February 5, 2012 at 8:53 pm
TF Smith
There is no explanation for the internment of AJAs (which was the preferred acronym of time) other than racism; however, Japanese resident aliens were not alone in being taken into custody. German and Italian resident aliens were also arrested, interned, and/or prohibited from designated defense areas – not in anywhere close to the same percentages, but it did happen. See:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=106_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ451.106
Best,
February 6, 2012 at 5:45 am
kevin
No, sorry, the treatment of Italian-Americans doesn’t even come close. And a resolution passed in 2000, at the behest of Italian American groups, doesn’t prove it.
All Americans of Japanese ancestry were forcibly removed from the West Coast, with their belongings and homes sold at a fraction of their value to their neighbors, so they could be shipped inland to what were at the time called, even by FDR, “concentration camps.”
All Americans of Italian ancestry were not. The worst thing that happened to Joe DiMaggio’s father was that he was no longer allowed to fish off the San Francisco pier. Boo-hoo.
February 6, 2012 at 6:35 am
politicalfootball
Pearl Harbor … was the 9/11 de leurs jours…
I’m probably reading to much into this, but I’d truly love to retire that analogy. If Pearl Harbor was the 9/11 of their day, then Winston Churchill the George W. Bush of their day.
Closer to the topic: Monocausal explanations, as eric suggests, are pretty unsatisfying. To say the Iraq War was “about the oil” is too reductive, but to say Iraq as about the oil and the racism – well, that’s still too reductive, but it gets you pretty far along in explaining that phenomenon.
February 6, 2012 at 10:13 am
Dave
Reverse historical irony fail…
It would be interesting to know if the “You’re lucky it was only a Jap” incident would have been likely shortly before 12/7…
February 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Josh
Not to mention integrating the history of the Eastern Front in Europe, which is only just now beginning to be written about in America.
Can you expand on that?
February 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm
ari
The worst thing that happened to Joe DiMaggio’s father was that he was no longer allowed to fish off the San Francisco pier. Boo-hoo.
The Knights of Columbus are going to have your ass, Kevin.
February 6, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Vance Maverick
Josh, I took Cheryl to be referring to the story of the war between Germany and the USSR — not anything buried, but something which has been lacking from retellings of the war here, which have stressed the contributions of the home team at the expense of global perspective. (At first I took “integration” in the American domestic sense, but that’s an instance of the same kind of bias.)
February 7, 2012 at 12:29 am
Josh
Josh, I took Cheryl to be referring to the story of the war between Germany and the USSR — not anything buried, but something which has been lacking from retellings of the war here, which have stressed the contributions of the home team at the expense of global perspective.
Right, that’s what I took her to mean too, but I’m curious as to how she sees it fitting into the conversation in this thread. Just don’t want to leap to conclusions about what specifically she means…
February 7, 2012 at 4:39 am
eric
Beevor’s Stalingrad would make a great movie – lots of cinematic moments. But it would be hard for audiences to take a rooting interest.
February 7, 2012 at 11:12 am
Josh
Beevor’s Stalingrad would make a great movie – lots of cinematic moments.
Well, there was Enemy At The Gates, which if it didn’t lift directly from Stalingrad at least referenced some of the same anecdotes. IIRC they basically finessed the rooting interest problem by focusing on individuals (and certainly didn’t try to paint the Soviet leadership in a heroic light).
February 7, 2012 at 5:47 pm
TF Smith
Kevin –
Wow, and I predicated it and everything…
Anyway, given that the DiMaggios’ made their living by fishing and through access to Fisherman’s Wharf, your example (where did you find it, wikipedia?) there was a “little” bit more to it than that, for them and thousands of other Italian resident aliens and Italian-Americans who were forced to leave their homes and/or jobs in 1942.
Given that something like 90 percent of the fishing fleet in Monterey were owned by Italians or Italian-Americans by the mid-1930s, EO 9066 had an impact – not as brutal as that on the AJAs and Japanense resident aliens, but a little more significant than “boo hoo,”
A good case study is Rose Scherini’s “Executive Order 9066 and Italian Americans: the San Francisco Story” which was anthologized in 2000 in “Fulfilling the Promise of California” edited by Gloria Ricci Lothrop (Phd. USC, ’70), and published by AH Clark, after first appearing in “California History”… pages 215-231.
Scherini differentiates between internees, excludees, and those who were forced to leave employment or residency in coastal areas in 1942. Here’s an example of the Italian-Americans forced to leave California in 1942:
Sylvester Andriano, who had emigrated to the US in 1901 at the age of 11, became a citzen in 1912, graduated from St. Mary’s (Moraga) in 1915 and earned a law degree; along with practicing as a lawyer, he also served on the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, was a police and library commissioner, and on his local draft board – which he was actually serving on when he was ordered to leave California.
He was suspect, according to Shereni’s paper, because he had served on the boards of the Italian Language School and Italian Chamber of Commerce in San Francisco. He was also, according to the FBI, a member of the Italian War Veterans (which Scherini suggests in dubious, since Andriano was in the US during WW I; and (bizarrely) the German-American Bund…
Beyond all that, the final report – Personal Justice Denied – of the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, as established by Congress in 1980 and published in 1982 by the GPO, is widely available; pages 283-293 center on Italians and Italian Americans.
Best,
February 8, 2012 at 3:20 am
Dave
Oh, you and your actual historical research an’ facts an’ all…
February 8, 2012 at 11:01 am
kevin
That’s your best example? An Italian who belonged to the German-American Bund, the leading pro-Nazi organization in America at the outbreak of the war, was ordered to leave the state of California? He wasn’t arrested, he wasn’t rounded up and put into an internment camp. He belonged to a Nazi front organization and was forced to leave the state, period.
Meanwhile, 110,000 Japanese Americans, ranging from toddlers to senior citizens were forced to leave the state and forcibly put into internment camps in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards, not because of their political activities or lack thereof, but solely because of the color of their skin.
How in God’s name can you see those two actions as even remotely in the same league?
By the way, Personal Justice Denied runs more than 470 pages in length. (I know, because I’ve actually read it. Have you?) The fact that five whole pages are devoted to the plight of Italian Americans there should give you a sense of just how ludicrous your argument is. My God, the brief passages on Italian Americans are so trivial that they’re buried in the chapter on “German and German Americans.” Even Latin Americans get their own damn section in the report.
Meanwhile, Italian American “suffering” barely rates a mention in it. If you do actually read the report, you’ll note there on p. 287 that the authors note how Archibald Macleish of the OFF urged the administration to, almost immediately, lift even the mild exclusion ban on the few Italian Americans to which it had been applied. FDR dismissed the idea of Italian Americans posing a threat to domestic security by calling them “a bunch of opera singers” and in the fall of 1942 Attorney General Francis Biddle announced that Italian Americans would no longer be considered “aliens of enemy nationality.” End of story. Meanwhile, Japanese Americans were still regarded as such and were therefore not only excluded, but herded into WRA camps in some of the most godforsaken parts of the country, where they’d stay for 2-3 more years.
I repeat: Boo fucking hoo.
February 8, 2012 at 11:05 am
silbey
Okay, folks, everyone’s had their say. Let’s keep things on an even keel.
February 8, 2012 at 11:10 am
kevin
Also, on p. 457 of Personal Justice Denied, the report offers this conclusion:
“No mass exclusion or detention, in any part of the country, was ordered against American citizens of German or Italian descent. The ethnic Japanese suffered a unique injustice during these years.”
Remind me again how this report proves your point, and not mine?
February 8, 2012 at 11:12 am
kevin
Sorry, my last was added before seeing your comment.
This is a personal peeve of mine, the complaining from Italian-Americans that “we had it just as bad” during World War II as the Japanese-Americans who were interned. They didn’t. And it’s an insult to those who really suffered during the war to suggest otherwise.
I’m done.
February 8, 2012 at 11:36 am
ari
Let’s keep things on an even keel.
It’s like you don’t even know why the Internet was invented.
February 8, 2012 at 12:12 pm
silbey
It’s like you don’t even know why the Internet was invented.
You’re banned.
February 8, 2012 at 6:10 pm
JWL
Pearl Harbor=WW2=Mom & Dad meet=Me Born San Francisco, Ca.
My mother retains the fondest memories of the Italian POW’s who were lucky enough to have landed at Fort Mason, San Francisco. The prisoners were accorded leave after Mussolini was overthrown and Italian armed forces joined the Allied ranks. According to mom, everyone loved them (she certainly did). I’d guess 5% of them ended up marrying into North Beach and settling down permanently.
February 8, 2012 at 8:10 pm
David in San Jose
Some members of my family are still suffering from the effects of the Japanese internment. A horrible event like this can carry pain forward over several generations.
February 8, 2012 at 11:42 pm
TF Smith
Dave, Silbey, Ari – Thanks for the collegiality.
Interesting interpretation of the reliability of Hoover’s FBI in 1942…
February 9, 2012 at 7:28 am
eric
TF, When silbey asked people to quit, he meant everyone. And quitting includes no more non-argumentative comments trailing off in ellipses.
February 9, 2012 at 11:38 am
silbey
TF, When silbey asked people to quit, he meant everyone. And quitting includes no more non-argumentative comments trailing off in ellipses.
Indeed.