Or the irrelevance of philosophy, continued. In graduate school I read a book whose author claimed that John Rawls was the font of liberal thought in America and I said to myself, “John who?” Until then I’d thought the font of liberal thought in America was probably this chap named John Locke. Because of course I’d read Louis Hartz’s Liberal Tradition in America, which argues
One of the central characteristics of a nonfeudal society is that it lacks a genuine revolutionary tradition … that it is “born equal,” as Tocqueville said. And this being the case it lacks also a tradition of reaction: lacking Robespierre it lacks Maistre…. Its liberalism is what Santayana called … a “natural” phenomenon…. [A] society which begins with Locke, and thus transforms him, stays with Locke, by virtue of an absolute and irrational attachment it develops for him, and becomes as indifferent to the challenge of socialism in the later era as it was unfamiliar with the heritage of feudalism in the earlier one. It has within it, as it were, a kind of self-completing mechanism, which insures the universality of the liberal idea…. [W]e have only the American Way of Life, a nationalist articulation of Locke which usually does not know that Locke himself is involved….
Or, as one of my former colleagues explained when teaching the American Revolution,
Remember litmus paper? Imagine political litmus paper. Dip it into Robespierre and it turns scarlet. Dip it into Maistre and it turns blue. But dip it into any American, or anyway any non-fringe American, and all you get is a kind of mauve.
Without getting into why this is true, it’s pretty nearly always true: there are limits to the scope of American thought. Me, I don’t think they’re kept in place by a “self-completing mechanism”, I think they’re actively reproduced generation after generation. But they’re there. No matter how the oppressed financier classes scream, there are precious few socialists in American public life. Nor are there quite fascists, or at least not out in the open.
Which is why I think I disagree with Sinhababu. It’s not that “the forces governing American politics at present don’t put any premium on intellectual opinion, or show any interest in mainstreaming intellectual debate”—it’s because Rawls isn’t asking us to overhaul our beliefs, merely to live by them. Which is a big difference from, and less exciting than, the changes Peter Singer demands of us.
I think too that this is why I disagree with Yglesias: it’s not the economists / pop philosophers who brought us “the perverse notion that it’s wrong or inappropriate to subject people to moral criticism for making selfish decisions as long as the decisions don’t involve breaking the law”, it’s all but written into the original spin on the US Constitution: Madison assumes citizens with selfish and even destructive interests banding together to pursue them, and urges against preventing this from happening. He doesn’t go so far as to say that selfishness is exempt from criticism, but he does indicate that such criticism is useless.
Which is to say, John Rawls is irrelevant to modern political debate not because anti-intellectualism is so strong—though it is, I’m just not convinced it’s markedly stronger than in, say, Britain—but because the intellectual tradition is so weak.


22 comments
April 14, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Cranky (Bobba Lynx)
What ? A more complete and likely better argument is irrelevant because the foundational argument/tradition (you presume, not I) is weak ? This is how you learned to argue ? No wonder you’re not seeing the relevance of philosophy here.
April 14, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Barbar
I don’t know; I’m not, er, an expert in American history, but doesn’t the elementary-school version place a heavy emphasis on the end of slavery, the expansion of suffrage, and the triumph of the civil rights movement? All of which gets neatly connected to the Founders’ original vision in the end, but I’ve never thought of that as indicating that American history is shaped by a small number of ideas held by some people who read John Locke.
April 14, 2009 at 7:19 pm
andrew
I hoping to see a replay of the republicanism-liberalism debate in comment form.
April 14, 2009 at 7:47 pm
eric
I was thinking about starting that more explicitly, but then I couldn’t be asked.
April 14, 2009 at 7:53 pm
eric
Cranky, maybe I’m not being clear enough, but:
(a) I’m not saying Rawls is irrelevant to me, but to US politics — which is I think not much in doubt;
(b) It’s irrelevant to US politics because all philosophy is essentially irrelevant — which is because, if we buy Hartz or even some large chunk of Hartz, there’s not enough action, or conflict, in it — it’s all pushing toward, as you say, more complete versions of the same thing.
April 14, 2009 at 8:35 pm
andrew
I also hoping to read my comments for grammatical errors before posting them.
Anyway, I suppose I can throw in the much-quoted Gordon Wood passage from Creation of the American Republic that’s relevant here:
I’m pretty much in agreement about the weakness – or rather the narrowness – of the American intellectual tradition, and the persistence of that narrowness really does seem remarkable. At the same time, there have been some real benefits to not having large numbers of extremists.
Of course, if you step out of the left/right/class context, you do get more American extremists (at least in their time): abolitionists, separatists, for example. And even then, the abolitionists were pushing towards a version of what liberalism has been pushing towards.
April 14, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Erik Lund
Or: “Americans” are a continuing, socially coerced ethnogenesis, a process that has actually decelerated in the recent past. (To be clear about what I’m hypothesising: in 1750, the majority of individuals then living who would identify as Americans in 1800 would be recognised by a time traveller as Native American). “Passing” being virtually the only escape out of subalternity, the (North) American social discourse requires that a coverture of racial essentialism be maintained, rendering class-based analysis a universal social solvent.
Or: it is perhaps not surprising that anti-clericalism and legitimism have not put down deep roots in a society without an established church or a monarchy.
April 15, 2009 at 6:51 am
student
Maybe we’ll be seeing more socialists in “public life” if a recent opinion poll cited in The New Republic has any validity. See
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/04/09/socialism-lives.aspx
April 15, 2009 at 9:42 am
eric
andrew, that passage is great. Wood pulls the ladder up after him, saying “there’s ample reason to study non-Lockean thought for the historical period of my book — but no further!”
The thing is, you could write a very similar book — indeed, people have written very similar books — for almost any other wobbly period in American political history. But the window always closes (so far).
April 15, 2009 at 9:54 am
dana
At the same time, there have been some real benefits to not having large numbers of extremists.
This is all mostly new to me, but it’s not just the numbers, it’s that there’s no space for the concept of an extremist being part of the discourse, right?
April 15, 2009 at 11:21 am
eric
Right, dana, but maybe even more than that. Hartz goes into the exceptions you might think would be exceptions — the cod-feudalism of the Old South, the socialism of the early c20 — and makes a case that these guys actually argued themselves back into liberal positions out of the necessity of accommodating the American past.
Hartz had a great gift for telling images and aphoristic prose. The American socialist movement “has the same relationship to the general pattern of Western Marxism that a postage stamp does to a life-size portrait: all the lines are there, all the features, but the size is very small.”
April 15, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Dia
One of the interesting facets of the Hartz school of American historiography – something that you alluded to in the post’s last paragraph – is the looming sense of ‘Europe’ somewhere just off stage left. Or stage right. Definitely further left or further right.
Anyhow, it’s an shadowy, clunky, odd-looking Europe where everyone is forced to go to church and doesn’t have enough potatoes to eat, etc.. (Funnily enough, in the modern version we’re godless and the state hands out the potatoes for free). Cobbled together from bits of Jefferson’s Notes, Quincy Adams’s Diary and Jackson’s veto messages, it’s had an immensely durable and versatile career in American political thought. Purely anecdotally, it seems to me that the modern version of this strange creature exists, in part, to allow self-flagellation on the part some American commentators who want to be seen to be worrying about the anti-intellectualism of the American state, or American culture, or both.
Is Rawls relevant to British politics? No, not really. But he is supposed to be an intellectual touchstone for the New Labour movement. Make of that what you will.
April 15, 2009 at 1:08 pm
eric
I thought it was Anthony Giddens who was supposed to be New Labour’s guru.
April 15, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Dia
Well, it seems I was wide of the mark:
http://www.newstatesman.com/200212090007
Which would make the point stronger: Is Rawls relevant to British politics. No, not really. He’s not even an intellectual touchstone for New Labour.
Ahem.
April 15, 2009 at 2:19 pm
eric
“Ahem”, indeed.
April 15, 2009 at 9:05 pm
andrew
no space for the concept of an extremist being part of the discourse
Yes, I was including under “extremists” people who were not really part of the discourse (at least while they were still extremists).
April 17, 2009 at 2:02 am
Neil the Ethical Werewolf
I actually think you agree with a little slice of my post — the part in parentheses where I talk about Kristof writing about Singer.
Of course, multicausal, etc, and maybe we just disagree on the relevant weightings of causes.
April 17, 2009 at 4:09 am
Michael Turner
“Original spin”, eric? Is that anything like original sin?
I read that passage of the Federalist, and it’s intriguingly capital-R Republican, not just republican — more than half the time, the beleaguered minority whose rights Madison fears might be trampled seems to be propertied classes whom the factional majority would simply prefer to tax more. In what he says about trade and protectionist sentiment, you’d think he’d already read The Weath of Nations. (Maybe he had, I wouldn’t know.) I could go on.
But I think you get him a little wrong, and since I can’t really defend/decry/discuss Rawls or Harz or Wood, let me at least defend Madison a little.
I’d finish that paragraph with “–outside whispered conversations in the Senate cloakroom, at any rate.”
In that section of the Federalist Papers, I believe Madison is essentially setting up the case not just for representative government rather than direct democracy, but also for even more specific architectural decisions: explicitly, a bicameral federal legislature, and implicitly, a de facto two-party system, with the upper house being more patrician, more secure and stable, less prone to faction, more likely to react to factional passions infecting the lower house by closing their own ranks, burying (temporarily at least) many partisan differences of their own, and resisting those passions.
Note that I say “more likely”, not “infallibly”. From the crooked timber of humanity, and all that.
How could Madison have had any realistic hope that an upper tier of elected officials could be counted on to be wisely hypocritical at the right moments? Maybe because he’d seen it work already, both before and after British rule. American democracy wasn’t some experiment starting with the declaration of independence, after all. The roots were already in place by then.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that even the Federalist Papers had a few precedents. Which is to say, I’ll bet there was already some pattern in colonial America of publishing significant government structural proposals in wonkish and windy prose, getting citizens’ councils ratifying them, then meeting any popular disgruntlement (in part) by saying, “What do you mean, you didn’t know what your representatives would be voting on? It was in all the papers. Oh, you didn’t read it? Then you can’t complain about how we pulled the wool over your eyes.”
The key to “expropriat[ing] and exploit[ing] the language that more rightfully [?] belonged to [your] opponents” is sometimes only a matter of getting your expropriations into the media mix sooner, and more broadly, and at the right level. In some ways, the Democrats’ Achilles Heel has been to think they need to get George Lakoff in the loop, for his “input” on “messaging strategy”, instead of either going with their gut or (lacking one) finding someone who actually has a gut to go with, at least. With Obama, they lucked out: he’s an intellectual who actually knows how to talk to people. But I think he’s also an intellectual who knows how to have whispered conversations in the Senate cloakroom — talk that he’d rather the people not hear. Madison revived and re-oriented to the present day might, after the shock passed, take a good hard look at how and why Obama got elected and say, “Well, this isn’t exactly what I expected, of course. But it is what I meant.”
April 17, 2009 at 5:08 pm
eric
I actually think you agree with a little slice of my post — the part in parentheses where I talk about Kristof writing about Singer.
Yes, I think I do. It’s because the dialogue goes something like this:
RAWLS: Oh hai, American political class, here is my philosophy.
AMERICAN POLITICAL CLASS: Looks kind of heavy. What’s in it?
RAWLS: An explanation that you really ought to have a liberal society.
APC: But we have a liberal society?
RAWLS: But this is a much better foundation for it, that doesn’t depend on any sleight of hand.
APC: Oh, okay. I’ll put it on my nightstand.
–
PETER SINGER: Oh hai, American political class, here is my philosophy.
APC: What’s in it?
SINGER: A case that animals should have rights.
APC: You mean like humane treatment.
SINGER: No, like rights. Like people have.
APC: Like pigs should vote?
SINGER: Uh, not exactly that, but kind of in that direction—
APC: Cool! Gimme it. Hey everybody, this guy thinks pigs should vote!
April 18, 2009 at 12:28 am
Michael Turner
There’s this trolley car full of pigs, careening towards otherwise-certain death, and Peter Singer is standing right next to you, and the only way to save those poor pigs is–
Never mind.
April 19, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Neil the Ethical Werewolf
Eric, that was great.
April 20, 2009 at 2:02 pm
eric
Thanks. Really, that should have been the post.