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In the middle of a generally apposite article, Steve Lohr of the New York Times says, “During the 1930s, the unemployment rate fell somewhat under Roosevelt, but remained stubbornly high, averaging more than 17 percent for the decade.” Dean Baker caught this, and so does Cosma Shalizi via the email: you get an average 17% if you count people who had jobs as unemployed.1 Which, Baker notes, is not what you’d call “in keeping with current methodology”. Or, you know, helpful in trying to make sense of the situation.
Baker goes on: what the New Deal achieved was “still far from full employment, but it is less than half the 23 percent rate that Roosevelt faced when he took office.” And in saying that perhaps the New Deal could have done better, Lohr’s overall point is sound: bailing out the banks wasn’t good enough, you had also to get creditworthy people lining up to borrow. In the 1930s, this was taken—by, e.g., Keynes—to mean you needed some fiscal stimulus: “it is no use creating a demand for credit, if there is no supply. But an increased supply will not by itself create an adequate demand.”
One might also point out that in the 1930s, the massive purchase of bank equity came after auditing the banks’ books to see what assets they had, and shuttering the ones that couldn’t survive.
1Also, it seems to me Lohr must count the decade as running 1929-1939 inclusive; this—using the old Lebergott data—gives you an average rate of 17.05%; if you use the current HSUS data for the same period, you get 13.16%. If you look at Roosevelt’s first two terms—1933-1940—you get 18.7% (Lebergott) as against 13.0% (HSUS current).



8 comments
January 28, 2009 at 9:12 am
ari
Sweet graphic, history warrior.
January 28, 2009 at 9:14 am
eric
It was getting boring, otherwise. I mean, it’s still getting boring, but at least there are comic pictures that everyone can enjoy. Except andrew.
January 28, 2009 at 9:17 am
ari
Well, you know my motto: if we’re denying andrew pleasure, we’re doing our jobs. And it might be boring to you, but the rest of us are having fun.
January 28, 2009 at 11:19 am
kid bitzer
if you guys haven’t read this post, you should:
http://www.metafilter.com/78629/RESOLUTE
(this post is fun, and fun is good, to complete the dr. seuss couplet)
all about how the presidential desk started life as the ship of theseus, or something.
January 28, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Ron Tunning
Had Roosevelt’s policies not been such abject failures we might have achieved even greater heights of unemployment, reaching well above the 25% he inherited.
Think how memorable the decade would have become had fifty or sixty percent of the working population been unemployed! For a nation that prides itself on ever greater accomplishments, I do believe Roosevelt deserves some disapprobation for having subverted efforts to test our capacity for pain.
January 28, 2009 at 6:22 pm
andrew
I like this image and, in this context, I think it’s funny. But I doubt it was funny in the original location.
January 29, 2009 at 5:55 am
Michael Turner
Two-for-One Special Bad Meme Alert: Keynes as Public Works Skeptic.
It combines the amazingly silly idea suggested by the title with that recent “nooz” about how only single-digit percentages of the proposed stimulus spending will actually hit the economy this year. That one is still out of control in the wild, last I checked. And “Keynes (the ‘mature Keynes’, that is) didn’t like public works spending” is just starting to gain ground.
I tried to respond. One of the objections to my response was chillingly logical: you shouldn’t write long response comments, because they can kill threads. Wow, thanks. I’ll remember that, the next time a blog post is so befuddled I ask myself, “Where do I start?” Sometimes it’s just better to not start at all.
Stimulus bill just cleared the house with 11 Dems voting against, and the GOP unanimous in opposition. I have a bad feeling about this. Maybe our capacity for pain will finally be fully tested.
January 30, 2009 at 7:03 am
John Emerson
Perhaps it was fish in a barrel, but if you average the last two years of Hoover’s term plus Roosevelt’s two terms (the Thirties), one of the things that it’s formally impossible to find out is whether there was any progress made during that period.
A guy on a comment thread pointed out that Republicans and Blue Dogs always assimilate management of the economy to running a household, where cutting spending often is the best response to a financial problem. And then they think of the government as some bankrupt they knew who drove an expensive new car, took long troipcal vacations, and always ate at fine restaurants. And then they assume that the main people hurt by belt-tightening will be profligates of that sort: “liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate”. That kind of logic resonates with Middle America, even including otherwise sensible liberal people.