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By: Vance Maverick

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By: Vance Maverick

Vance Maverick — Tue, 13 May 2008 05:30:25 +0000

Two bits of unintegrated trivia:

Zukofsky’s first name is pronounced “Louie”, like Armstrong.

May 12th is the anniversary not only of his death, but of Lorine Niedecker’s birth. She was a fine poet in her own right, and close to LZ personally. Recently it emerged that they had had an affair (before he knew Celia), even gotten pregnant, etc. Scroggins banishes this story to an appendix. On the one hand, I take his point that there’s only one source for it, an estranged former friend of Zukofsky’s. On the other, S surely had to be careful not to antagonize Z’s son Paul, who’s known to be tight with permissions, copyright, access, etc. (Not quite on the level of Stephen Joyce, but then Z is not on Joyce’s level of fame.) So I won’t refrain from hinting at the story, but I’ll banish it too, to a comment.

By: Vance Maverick

Vance Maverick — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:51:00 +0000

Jan. 29 is one of three dates that, at one time or another, Z thought were his true birthday. Scroggins’s account of the confusion is itself rather confusing — but clearly the essential problem was that his parents, who hardly spoke English, had trouble communicating with the midwife.

That trip was sponsored by Ezra Pound and WC Williams, among others. The reference to CCNY is interesting — I don’t remember it being mentioned in the bio.

By: thegenealogist

thegenealogist — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:17:59 +0000

the passenger manifest of the arrival in New York of the SS Majestic from Cherbourg, France on 13 September 1933, gives the date of birth of Louis Zukofsky aa 29 Jan 1904, and two addresses - 39 Sidney Place, Brooklyn, and The Department of Philosophy at City College, NY. The passenger manifest does not state whether or not he was an “objectivist”. :-)

By: Vance Maverick

Vance Maverick — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:18:04 +0000

Right, John, the “Objectivist” poets didn’t vanish. But the label was a flag of convenience.

Corman published Zukofsky, and was an important correspondent, but their relationship began after the Objectivist moment.

By: Vance Maverick

Vance Maverick — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:15:42 +0000

Hey, TMK, glad to have piqued your interest. Definitely check him out. About intimidation, two things — Z’s work gets so “difficult” that, as a reader, you learn not to let that bother you, to make sense of what you can and music of the rest. Negative capability, if you will. And on the other hand, most of the poets associated with Zukofsky — Oppen, say, or Lorine Niedecker, for whom I should have made room in the note — share his modernist sensibility but are much less “scholarly” and daunting.