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		<title>By: urbino</title>
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		<dc:creator>urbino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the love, Ari.

As for Obama's speech, I think it may actually hold up pretty well, historically.  Obviously, much depends on what happens with the rest of his campaign and career, but it's got the potential.

The historic parallel I first thought of was King's Riverside speech on Vietnam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the love, Ari.</p>
<p>As for Obama&#8217;s speech, I think it may actually hold up pretty well, historically.  Obviously, much depends on what happens with the rest of his campaign and career, but it&#8217;s got the potential.</p>
<p>The historic parallel I first thought of was King&#8217;s Riverside speech on Vietnam.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Speech on Race. My contribution to the dialogue. &#171; blueollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama&#8217;s Speech on Race. My contribution to the dialogue. &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More reaction: Ari at the Edge of the American West. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Green Tee Readings &#187; links for 2008-03-19</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green Tee Readings &#187; links for 2008-03-19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “This is where we are right now. It’s a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years.” « ... Like this article, I hope Obama&#8217;s speech gets the idea across that the sound bite is a pretty useless mechanism for transmitting ideas. (tags: Obama reaction) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “This is where we are right now. It’s a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years.” « &#8230; Like this article, I hope Obama&#8217;s speech gets the idea across that the sound bite is a pretty useless mechanism for transmitting ideas. (tags: Obama reaction) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jlh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important difference between JFK's speech before the Protestant ministers and Obama's speech in Philadelphia was that JFK sought only to reassure voters without challenging their prejudice while Obama wishes to engage Americans in a discussion about the nature of prejudice.

Obviously, he must address this issue if anything else he says will be heard. But instead of trying to wish it away or, worse, attempt to disown his own heritage, he has attacked the issue head-on.

Jodi Kantor of the New York Times starts her column on the speech with this: 

"Since he was very young, Senator Barack Obama has been something of a mediator of racial concerns, shuttling between black and white worlds and trying to translate the concerns of one to the other.

"He did it in his family. He did it at Harvard Law School. And on Tuesday morning, he assumed that role nationally, trying to allay voters’ concerns about statements by his pastor, Jeremiah A. Wright, and staking his presidential candidacy on his ability to explain black grievances to white people and white resentment to black people."

Obama really does possess a unique perspective which has given him an equally unique opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important difference between JFK&#8217;s speech before the Protestant ministers and Obama&#8217;s speech in Philadelphia was that JFK sought only to reassure voters without challenging their prejudice while Obama wishes to engage Americans in a discussion about the nature of prejudice.</p>
<p>Obviously, he must address this issue if anything else he says will be heard. But instead of trying to wish it away or, worse, attempt to disown his own heritage, he has attacked the issue head-on.</p>
<p>Jodi Kantor of the New York Times starts her column on the speech with this: </p>
<p>&#8220;Since he was very young, Senator Barack Obama has been something of a mediator of racial concerns, shuttling between black and white worlds and trying to translate the concerns of one to the other.</p>
<p>&#8220;He did it in his family. He did it at Harvard Law School. And on Tuesday morning, he assumed that role nationally, trying to allay voters’ concerns about statements by his pastor, Jeremiah A. Wright, and staking his presidential candidacy on his ability to explain black grievances to white people and white resentment to black people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama really does possess a unique perspective which has given him an equally unique opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: KRK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KRK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding whether Obama will make a habit of delivering major speeches on the issue(s) of the day, he's scheduled to give a speech Thursday on "Iraq and the Economy" in Charleston, WV. (According to Al Giordano at The Field there was also supposed to be a speech Wednesday on Iraq and national security in Fayetteville, NC, but that doesn't show up on the official campaign schedule.) 

Addressing Iraq and the economy so soon after today's speech may satisfy some who said today "Ho, hum, what's the big deal about race? Obama isn't address problems that really matter." But I suspect those folks aren't looking to be satisfied by anything that Obama does. I do worry that it might be too much oratory in a single week. Maybe the goal is just to get these words and ideas out there and let them percolate while he does more ground-level stumping in the weeks ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding whether Obama will make a habit of delivering major speeches on the issue(s) of the day, he&#8217;s scheduled to give a speech Thursday on &#8220;Iraq and the Economy&#8221; in Charleston, WV. (According to Al Giordano at The Field there was also supposed to be a speech Wednesday on Iraq and national security in Fayetteville, NC, but that doesn&#8217;t show up on the official campaign schedule.) </p>
<p>Addressing Iraq and the economy so soon after today&#8217;s speech may satisfy some who said today &#8220;Ho, hum, what&#8217;s the big deal about race? Obama isn&#8217;t address problems that really matter.&#8221; But I suspect those folks aren&#8217;t looking to be satisfied by anything that Obama does. I do worry that it might be too much oratory in a single week. Maybe the goal is just to get these words and ideas out there and let them percolate while he does more ground-level stumping in the weeks ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask the guy who really knows.  (That's Eric, by the way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask the guy who really knows.  (That&#8217;s Eric, by the way.)</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would you historians compare this bullshit and the compulsive, manically inconsistent rightwing response to Obama to the anger FDR inspired?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would you historians compare this bullshit and the compulsive, manically inconsistent rightwing response to Obama to the anger FDR inspired?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Alpers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Alpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But making it onto a top-ten list of great speeches of one kind or another wasn’t the point for Obama today...The point for Obama today was to answer hard questions directly, to use language and ideas to persuade an audience to ponder a very difficult subject along with him. I believe that he did that.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree entirely that he did that. And exceedingly well. As something of an Obama skeptic, I was genuinely impressed by this speech (though like a number of commentators on the other thread I felt that both his line about Israel and his knee-jerk American exceptionalism rang a bit false).

But the problem for Obama is that the point of this speech was principally not to answer hard questions directly, but to move his campaign beyond a political crisis. There were some hard questions at the heart of that crisis, and Obama answered them well. But like most political crises in our culture, much of this crisis consists not of "hard questions" but of bullshit (in the &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/37tcq2" rel="nofollow"&gt;philosophical sense&lt;/a&gt; of the term). 

To the extent that this crisis is bullshit, the speech largely doesn't matter.  The bullshitters will greet the speech with vague notions that, somehow, this speech isn't "enough" for some unspecified group of other people (and of course, trivially, there are groups for which it will of course not be enough: e.g. hardcore racists, Republican activists, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and so forth).  See, for example, Joan Walsh's piece in Salon.com (I'd link, but I don't want to wait for moderation):  "Was Obama's Speech Enough?"  And her answer, after saying a lot of nice things about this speech, is essentially "no"...though there's no content whatsoever to this answer.  It's just handwaving and bullshit.

At least from afar, this crisis seems much smaller than it's been spun.  Obama overwhelmingly has the delegate math in his favor. There's just no way Clinton wins this.  To the extent that there's been a suggestion that the nomination hangs in the balance, I don't see it. On the other hand, Obama could emerge from this nomination fight as a profoundly damaged candidate.  And this crisis &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; about that. Like I've already said, I think he's handled it exceedingly well.

But whether or not the bullshit aspect of this crisis continues is, in a sense, out of Obama's control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But making it onto a top-ten list of great speeches of one kind or another wasn’t the point for Obama today&#8230;The point for Obama today was to answer hard questions directly, to use language and ideas to persuade an audience to ponder a very difficult subject along with him. I believe that he did that.</i></p>
<p>I agree entirely that he did that. And exceedingly well. As something of an Obama skeptic, I was genuinely impressed by this speech (though like a number of commentators on the other thread I felt that both his line about Israel and his knee-jerk American exceptionalism rang a bit false).</p>
<p>But the problem for Obama is that the point of this speech was principally not to answer hard questions directly, but to move his campaign beyond a political crisis. There were some hard questions at the heart of that crisis, and Obama answered them well. But like most political crises in our culture, much of this crisis consists not of &#8220;hard questions&#8221; but of bullshit (in the <a href="http://tinyurl.com/37tcq2" rel="nofollow">philosophical sense</a> of the term). </p>
<p>To the extent that this crisis is bullshit, the speech largely doesn&#8217;t matter.  The bullshitters will greet the speech with vague notions that, somehow, this speech isn&#8217;t &#8220;enough&#8221; for some unspecified group of other people (and of course, trivially, there are groups for which it will of course not be enough: e.g. hardcore racists, Republican activists, the Hillary Clinton campaign, and so forth).  See, for example, Joan Walsh&#8217;s piece in Salon.com (I&#8217;d link, but I don&#8217;t want to wait for moderation):  &#8220;Was Obama&#8217;s Speech Enough?&#8221;  And her answer, after saying a lot of nice things about this speech, is essentially &#8220;no&#8221;&#8230;though there&#8217;s no content whatsoever to this answer.  It&#8217;s just handwaving and bullshit.</p>
<p>At least from afar, this crisis seems much smaller than it&#8217;s been spun.  Obama overwhelmingly has the delegate math in his favor. There&#8217;s just no way Clinton wins this.  To the extent that there&#8217;s been a suggestion that the nomination hangs in the balance, I don&#8217;t see it. On the other hand, Obama could emerge from this nomination fight as a profoundly damaged candidate.  And this crisis <i>was</i> about that. Like I&#8217;ve already said, I think he&#8217;s handled it exceedingly well.</p>
<p>But whether or not the bullshit aspect of this crisis continues is, in a sense, out of Obama&#8217;s control.</p>
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