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		<title>By: Psalm 151 &#171; Sunlit Water</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psalm 151 &#171; Sunlit Water</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Filed under: Culture &#8212; by teofilo @ 12:30 am   Via Eric Rauchway, a fascinating post about the Leonard Cohen song &#8220;Hallelujah.&#8221;  I had always assumed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Filed under: Culture &#8212; by teofilo @ 12:30 am   Via Eric Rauchway, a fascinating post about the Leonard Cohen song &#8220;Hallelujah.&#8221;  I had always assumed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rishy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rishy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love &quot;Hoedown&quot; by Emerson, Lake and Palmer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love &#8220;Hoedown&#8221; by Emerson, Lake and Palmer!</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for what it&#039;s worth (getting pretty far off the history of the American West now), the bare-bones arrangement makes the debt to Stravinsky, especially &lt;i&gt;L&#039;Histoire&lt;/i&gt;, more obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for what it&#8217;s worth (getting pretty far off the history of the American West now), the bare-bones arrangement makes the debt to Stravinsky, especially <i>L&#8217;Histoire</i>, more obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More out, I think.  Possibly also more cheerful.

I&#039;ve heard the &quot;chamber&quot; &lt;i&gt;Appalachian Spring&lt;/i&gt; too (I have a CD somewhere with Hugh Wolff).  Copland trimmed away some stuff when making the suite, to good effect I think -- there are some less effective passages in the original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More out, I think.  Possibly also more cheerful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard the &#8220;chamber&#8221; <i>Appalachian Spring</i> too (I have a CD somewhere with Hugh Wolff).  Copland trimmed away some stuff when making the suite, to good effect I think &#8212; there are some less effective passages in the original.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;gayer&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>gayer</em></p>
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		<title>By: Gene O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene O'Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t have said I was steeped in mid-century music, but I at least recognized twelve of the names, although not Sowerby.  I suspect the issue is more the compartmentalization of American culture, increasingly so in the last 30 years -- or maybe it&#039;s 50.  (By the way, Milhaud and Cowell were both California celebrities.)

On the subject of the post, I think attitudes cut both ways.  For all the silly denunciations of the Busbeys of this world, there&#039;s also the fact that most creative artists are sufficiently alienated from the endeavors of the people who run this country (as I am too).  In the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s it wasn&#039;t that way, hence some of Copland&#039;s activities.  I remember once running across a symphonic piece that Marc Blitzstein (as far as I know both gayer -- although he was married for a bit -- and more leftwing than Copland) had written to celebrate the airforce (or Army Air Corps).  Great World War II airplanes darkening the sky cover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have said I was steeped in mid-century music, but I at least recognized twelve of the names, although not Sowerby.  I suspect the issue is more the compartmentalization of American culture, increasingly so in the last 30 years &#8212; or maybe it&#8217;s 50.  (By the way, Milhaud and Cowell were both California celebrities.)</p>
<p>On the subject of the post, I think attitudes cut both ways.  For all the silly denunciations of the Busbeys of this world, there&#8217;s also the fact that most creative artists are sufficiently alienated from the endeavors of the people who run this country (as I am too).  In the 30&#8217;s and 40&#8217;s it wasn&#8217;t that way, hence some of Copland&#8217;s activities.  I remember once running across a symphonic piece that Marc Blitzstein (as far as I know both gayer &#8212; although he was married for a bit &#8212; and more leftwing than Copland) had written to celebrate the airforce (or Army Air Corps).  Great World War II airplanes darkening the sky cover.</p>
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		<title>By: American Studies 313 &#38; 450 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; “We must look into that” « The Edge of the American West</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Studies 313 &#38; 450 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; “We must look into that” « The Edge of the American West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “We must look into that” « The Edge of the American West [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ixnaythemetier</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 04:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I hear &quot;Hoedown,&quot; I hear &lt;/I&gt;Fievel Goes West&lt;/I&gt;.  I think that makes me the opposite of steeped in mid-century American music.  Fond childhood associations, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I hear &#8220;Hoedown,&#8221; I hear Fievel Goes West.  I think that makes me the opposite of steeped in mid-century American music.  Fond childhood associations, though.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the composers *I* recognize as important&lt;/em&gt;

David, I did say &quot;unless you&#039;re steeped in mid-century American music.&quot;  Which clearly, you are.  Very few people would know them, let alone as recognize as important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the composers *I* recognize as important</em></p>
<p>David, I did say &#8220;unless you&#8217;re steeped in mid-century American music.&#8221;  Which clearly, you are.  Very few people would know them, let alone as recognize as important.</p>
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		<title>By: David Carlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(one by Deems Taylor, who narrated Disney’s Fantasia, but the rest by people you probably never heard of unless you’re steeped in mid-century American music).

So much for Walter Piston, Henry Cowell, Darius Milhaud, William Grant Still, Virgil Thomson, Morton Gould, Leo Sowerby, and Howard Hanson--just to name the composers *I* recognize as important.  But Deems Taylor rises to visibility on the strength of his Disney connection.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(one by Deems Taylor, who narrated Disney’s Fantasia, but the rest by people you probably never heard of unless you’re steeped in mid-century American music).</p>
<p>So much for Walter Piston, Henry Cowell, Darius Milhaud, William Grant Still, Virgil Thomson, Morton Gould, Leo Sowerby, and Howard Hanson&#8211;just to name the composers *I* recognize as important.  But Deems Taylor rises to visibility on the strength of his Disney connection.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: urbino</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it helps &quot;Fanfare&quot; that it&#039;s understated.  You know, for a fanfare.  It makes it easier to use in more ways and more contexts, and easier to quote from, as Williams did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it helps &#8220;Fanfare&#8221; that it&#8217;s understated.  You know, for a fanfare.  It makes it easier to use in more ways and more contexts, and easier to quote from, as Williams did.</p>
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		<title>By: charlieford</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Dylan&#039;s coming-on-stage-music from 2001 to 2007 was from Copeland.  It was perfect.

For fans of Appalachian Spring, it was originally scored for a chamber orchestra not a full symphony (because of space limitations at Martha Graham&#039;s perfomance venue . . .)  The chamber version was released on vinyl, and I presume it&#039;s on cd, though I haven&#039;t re-bought it, and it&#039;s wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Dylan&#8217;s coming-on-stage-music from 2001 to 2007 was from Copeland.  It was perfect.</p>
<p>For fans of Appalachian Spring, it was originally scored for a chamber orchestra not a full symphony (because of space limitations at Martha Graham&#8217;s perfomance venue . . .)  The chamber version was released on vinyl, and I presume it&#8217;s on cd, though I haven&#8217;t re-bought it, and it&#8217;s wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;from repeatedly expressing Americanness (faute de mieux), this comes to signify it.&lt;/em&gt;

Kind of like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clapclap.org/2007/04/hallelujah.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Hallelujah&quot; and sadness&lt;/a&gt;, maybe.  But I think there&#039;s more intrinsically there in Copland than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>from repeatedly expressing Americanness (faute de mieux), this comes to signify it.</em></p>
<p>Kind of like <a href="http://www.clapclap.org/2007/04/hallelujah.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Hallelujah&#8221; and sadness</a>, maybe.  But I think there&#8217;s more intrinsically there in Copland than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I was thinking along those lines too.  Imagine a TV network programmer of 1955 looking for the right snippet to express Americanness.  TV in those days is so middlebrow, so culturally conservative (not to mention so white) that he has to draw from the classical bag.  And yet American classical music, for all its achievements (Ruggles!), hasn&#039;t produced much that&#039;s catchy by the standards of the &quot;man on the street&quot;, except for some pieces (e.g. Gershwin) stained by the contagion of jazz.  So from repeatedly expressing Americanness (faute de mieux), this comes to signify it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was thinking along those lines too.  Imagine a TV network programmer of 1955 looking for the right snippet to express Americanness.  TV in those days is so middlebrow, so culturally conservative (not to mention so white) that he has to draw from the classical bag.  And yet American classical music, for all its achievements (Ruggles!), hasn&#8217;t produced much that&#8217;s catchy by the standards of the &#8220;man on the street&#8221;, except for some pieces (e.g. Gershwin) stained by the contagion of jazz.  So from repeatedly expressing Americanness (faute de mieux), this comes to signify it.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To what extent is Copland&#039;s ubiquity among commercial and film soundtrackers cause rather than consequence of his instantly recognizable Americanness?  Discuss; give examples to support your argument.  (Worth 40% of your grade.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To what extent is Copland&#8217;s ubiquity among commercial and film soundtrackers cause rather than consequence of his instantly recognizable Americanness?  Discuss; give examples to support your argument.  (Worth 40% of your grade.)</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a random example.  But the general point is that we have lots of music that&#039;s obviously American -- including lots of folk and folk-sampling music -- and yet there&#039;s not much that &lt;i&gt;signifies&lt;/i&gt; Americanness, that&#039;s &quot;recognizably&quot; American, to the degree that piece is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a random example.  But the general point is that we have lots of music that&#8217;s obviously American &#8212; including lots of folk and folk-sampling music &#8212; and yet there&#8217;s not much that <i>signifies</i> Americanness, that&#8217;s &#8220;recognizably&#8221; American, to the degree that piece is.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How can a classical concert piece be more American than “Take the A Train”?&lt;/em&gt;

Partly because it, or they, sample/mimic folk music, right?—and at that, folk music which has been around longer than even Ellington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How can a classical concert piece be more American than “Take the A Train”?</em></p>
<p>Partly because it, or they, sample/mimic folk music, right?—and at that, folk music which has been around longer than even Ellington.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also:

&lt;i&gt;assuredly ranks among the most recognizably American music&lt;/i&gt;

This pretty bizarre, isn&#039;t it?  How can a classical concert piece be more American than &quot;Take the A Train&quot;?  (Or any of a million other examples, from William Billings on down.)  And yet somehow it is, and it would take a more acute cultural critic than Ross to disentangle why.</description>
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<p><i>assuredly ranks among the most recognizably American music</i></p>
<p>This pretty bizarre, isn&#8217;t it?  How can a classical concert piece be more American than &#8220;Take the A Train&#8221;?  (Or any of a million other examples, from William Billings on down.)  And yet somehow it is, and it would take a more acute cultural critic than Ross to disentangle why.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Maverick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vance Maverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also covered recently in Alex Ross&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.librarything.com/work/3562104&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Rest is Noise&lt;/a&gt;.  I wish I could recommend this, but I had to admit that all the reasons I enjoyed it were personal -- mainly, I was heartened to find people were still writing books of the kind that seemed so important to me as a teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also covered recently in Alex Ross&#8217;s <a href="http://www.librarything.com/work/3562104" rel="nofollow">The Rest is Noise</a>.  I wish I could recommend this, but I had to admit that all the reasons I enjoyed it were personal &#8212; mainly, I was heartened to find people were still writing books of the kind that seemed so important to me as a teenager.</p>
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