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		<title>By: AHA interviews, redux. &#171; The Edge of the American West</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-28645</link>
		<dc:creator>AHA interviews, redux. &#171; The Edge of the American West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I talked to the graduate students today about the AHA interview process, so I thought I&#039;d re-post the suggestions I put up here last year. You&#039;d think that having aged a year, and having acquired infinitely more wisdom, I&#039;d have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I talked to the graduate students today about the AHA interview process, so I thought I&#8217;d re-post the suggestions I put up here last year. You&#8217;d think that having aged a year, and having acquired infinitely more wisdom, I&#8217;d have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kelly, for the nice words and the thoughtful comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly in Kansas</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly in Kansas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to suggest that candidates find out about the departments PRIOR to sending applications given that letters are often the first chance PEs get an idea on whether or not you would &#039;fit&#039; at their institution - something that should be specifically addressed in the NON-generic application letter. 

Otherwise, a candidate might not guarantee that they even make it to the interview stage even if they are interested in the job. 

One of our first &quot;culling points&quot; is letters that seem to be multi-purpose given that both sides of the equations have to be a good fit for the whole employment process to work effectively in the long run. 

Lots of great advice here, in the comments, and in Perspectives so that the process isn&#039;t something &quot;behind the curtain&quot;. Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to suggest that candidates find out about the departments PRIOR to sending applications given that letters are often the first chance PEs get an idea on whether or not you would &#8216;fit&#8217; at their institution &#8211; something that should be specifically addressed in the NON-generic application letter. </p>
<p>Otherwise, a candidate might not guarantee that they even make it to the interview stage even if they are interested in the job. </p>
<p>One of our first &#8220;culling points&#8221; is letters that seem to be multi-purpose given that both sides of the equations have to be a good fit for the whole employment process to work effectively in the long run. </p>
<p>Lots of great advice here, in the comments, and in Perspectives so that the process isn&#8217;t something &#8220;behind the curtain&#8221;. Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: matt w</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>matt w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 05:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like a &lt;i&gt;really bad idea&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s sad, because you&#039;ll be in a situation where it would be inhuman not to be nervous, but (I believe) search committees will be put off by obvious signs of nerves. Stay away from self-deprecation in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a <i>really bad idea</i>. It&#8217;s sad, because you&#8217;ll be in a situation where it would be inhuman not to be nervous, but (I believe) search committees will be put off by obvious signs of nerves. Stay away from self-deprecation in general.</p>
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		<title>By: jt</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-511</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I have done in certain situations--conference talks, interviews, etc.--is to make a joke in the beginning that indicates that I am nervous.  So, if I have a laser pointer, the first time I use it I say &quot;This is an anxiety indicator&quot; as I grip the thing with both hands.  If it is an informal gathering, I say something like &quot;The vodka must have calmed me down.&quot;   In more formal talks, I have other ways to joke about my anxiety.  I have found that it puts me at ease and humanizes the situation.

 I am trying to figure out what might work at these conference interviews.  I have thought about saying, after shaking hands, &quot;Well my palms aren&#039;t all sweaty after all.&quot;  But I am afraid this sounds gross.  Or how about, &quot;When I was nervous at my wedding, they kept saying bend your knees so you don&#039;t pass out.  No one gave me similar advice for this situation, so I hope I don&#039;t pass out on you.&quot;   

How does such a strategy sound?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I have done in certain situations&#8211;conference talks, interviews, etc.&#8211;is to make a joke in the beginning that indicates that I am nervous.  So, if I have a laser pointer, the first time I use it I say &#8220;This is an anxiety indicator&#8221; as I grip the thing with both hands.  If it is an informal gathering, I say something like &#8220;The vodka must have calmed me down.&#8221;   In more formal talks, I have other ways to joke about my anxiety.  I have found that it puts me at ease and humanizes the situation.</p>
<p> I am trying to figure out what might work at these conference interviews.  I have thought about saying, after shaking hands, &#8220;Well my palms aren&#8217;t all sweaty after all.&#8221;  But I am afraid this sounds gross.  Or how about, &#8220;When I was nervous at my wedding, they kept saying bend your knees so you don&#8217;t pass out.  No one gave me similar advice for this situation, so I hope I don&#8217;t pass out on you.&#8221;   </p>
<p>How does such a strategy sound?</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, anon.  I tried to cover both style and substance in the post, as I think both matter.  But even if substance matters much more, I&#039;ve seen some wonderful paper candidates self-destruct based on an inability to connect with members of a committee.  Still, I&#039;ve never seen anyone rejected for wearing a sweater.  Which seems to indicate, yet again, that the process is painfully idiosyncratic.  And fit, whatever that might mean (and sometimes that&#039;s code used to cover some pretty nasty stuff), matters quite a lot -- as you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, anon.  I tried to cover both style and substance in the post, as I think both matter.  But even if substance matters much more, I&#8217;ve seen some wonderful paper candidates self-destruct based on an inability to connect with members of a committee.  Still, I&#8217;ve never seen anyone rejected for wearing a sweater.  Which seems to indicate, yet again, that the process is painfully idiosyncratic.  And fit, whatever that might mean (and sometimes that&#8217;s code used to cover some pretty nasty stuff), matters quite a lot &#8212; as you say.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done a fair number of job interviews. What is so interesting here is that there is such focus on protecting the interviewers&#039; egos. Find out about their work, look them in the eye, etc. I suppose there is a subliminal element there--people will like you more if you indicate an interest in them and being liked does matter--but this seems sort of amusing. Or maybe I&#039;m deluded but I honestly don&#039;t think this makes a huge difference. We care much more about how clearly and well someone explains his or her research and if they do so amazingly well I can&#039;t imagine that anyone in my department would fault them for not looking them in the eye (unless they were kind of weird about it) or knowing our work.  But I will say there is one member of my department who is strangely concerned about how the candidates dress. He has some kind of theory that anyone who wears a sweater instead of a suit (for some reason it has always been women) must not be taking the process seriously. Which is absurd, but there you go. So arbitrary factors like that do make a difference.

I guess one thing you could add is this process is very artificial. There isn&#039;t much you can learn about people in a short interview. It&#039;s almost a ritual in some respects. And most job candidates do fairly well. It can be difficult to narrow down a small number for an open campus interview. Often, it is actually things in the file that we fall back on to make our decisions. So if you don&#039;t get the fly out, don&#039;t beat yourself up. Fit matters a great deal. You may not have been the right fit for reasons that have nothing to do with your ability or your interview skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done a fair number of job interviews. What is so interesting here is that there is such focus on protecting the interviewers&#8217; egos. Find out about their work, look them in the eye, etc. I suppose there is a subliminal element there&#8211;people will like you more if you indicate an interest in them and being liked does matter&#8211;but this seems sort of amusing. Or maybe I&#8217;m deluded but I honestly don&#8217;t think this makes a huge difference. We care much more about how clearly and well someone explains his or her research and if they do so amazingly well I can&#8217;t imagine that anyone in my department would fault them for not looking them in the eye (unless they were kind of weird about it) or knowing our work.  But I will say there is one member of my department who is strangely concerned about how the candidates dress. He has some kind of theory that anyone who wears a sweater instead of a suit (for some reason it has always been women) must not be taking the process seriously. Which is absurd, but there you go. So arbitrary factors like that do make a difference.</p>
<p>I guess one thing you could add is this process is very artificial. There isn&#8217;t much you can learn about people in a short interview. It&#8217;s almost a ritual in some respects. And most job candidates do fairly well. It can be difficult to narrow down a small number for an open campus interview. Often, it is actually things in the file that we fall back on to make our decisions. So if you don&#8217;t get the fly out, don&#8217;t beat yourself up. Fit matters a great deal. You may not have been the right fit for reasons that have nothing to do with your ability or your interview skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; elsewheres</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; elsewheres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ari Kelman gives tips to job candidates who&#8217;ll be attending the American Historical Association meeting. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-487</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mention it before but I also came here originally from TPM.  So far I have really liked what I have seen (as though one grasshopper really makes a difference).  Keep it up.

I read through your interview advice.  It applies generically to any field where there is some professionalism and intellectual endeavor.  My major field of work was engineering or engineering related.  When I was looking for a job this kind of advice would have been invaluable.  In fact, toward the end of my full-time working life, I went through a program supported by the State of New Jersey to help professionals find employment.  We went through all of the steps that you discuss and had practice interviews, resume writing help, and help with our &quot;elevator speech.&quot;  Position seekers will ignore your advice if they have a wish to remain unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mention it before but I also came here originally from TPM.  So far I have really liked what I have seen (as though one grasshopper really makes a difference).  Keep it up.</p>
<p>I read through your interview advice.  It applies generically to any field where there is some professionalism and intellectual endeavor.  My major field of work was engineering or engineering related.  When I was looking for a job this kind of advice would have been invaluable.  In fact, toward the end of my full-time working life, I went through a program supported by the State of New Jersey to help professionals find employment.  We went through all of the steps that you discuss and had practice interviews, resume writing help, and help with our &#8220;elevator speech.&#8221;  Position seekers will ignore your advice if they have a wish to remain unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, Larry, nice blog:  http://northwesthistory.blogspot.com/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, Larry, nice blog:  <a href="http://northwesthistory.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://northwesthistory.blogspot.com/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great question.  Let me see what I can find.  But, before doing any actual research, I would say that my first instinct is, no, the majority of insititutions don&#039;t go to the AHA to interview.  Only the ones that have the money (the most important variable) make the trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great question.  Let me see what I can find.  But, before doing any actual research, I would say that my first instinct is, no, the majority of insititutions don&#8217;t go to the AHA to interview.  Only the ones that have the money (the most important variable) make the trip.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Cebula</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-414</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Cebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nice and useful post. But I paused at something in the very first paragraph--do you really think that &quot;most&quot; institutions interview at the AHA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice and useful post. But I paused at something in the very first paragraph&#8211;do you really think that &#8220;most&#8221; institutions interview at the AHA?</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  That very nice of you.  Do you think there were 63 assyrians before you?  Just asking.  Again, thanks for dropping in.  You&#039;re always welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  That very nice of you.  Do you think there were 63 assyrians before you?  Just asking.  Again, thanks for dropping in.  You&#8217;re always welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: assyrian64</title>
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		<dc:creator>assyrian64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I linked here from TPM. You have a great blog...interesting stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I linked here from TPM. You have a great blog&#8230;interesting stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: ari</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that was a bot, but I&#039;m not sure.  GRG commented in two places, and the other one, on a tongue-in-cheek post I did about the Boston Tea Party and Grover Norquist, is actually on point.  Which suggests a human doing the commenting.  Apparently Ron Paul has pretty devoted followers if they&#039;re visiting academic blogs.  But I guess we knew that already.  

As for AHA, sorry about that.  Now that you mention it, it does seem like inside baseball.  Please don&#039;t tell Senator Mitchell, but this blog is juiced.

And finally, welcome.  And thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that was a bot, but I&#8217;m not sure.  GRG commented in two places, and the other one, on a tongue-in-cheek post I did about the Boston Tea Party and Grover Norquist, is actually on point.  Which suggests a human doing the commenting.  Apparently Ron Paul has pretty devoted followers if they&#8217;re visiting academic blogs.  But I guess we knew that already.  </p>
<p>As for AHA, sorry about that.  Now that you mention it, it does seem like inside baseball.  Please don&#8217;t tell Senator Mitchell, but this blog is juiced.</p>
<p>And finally, welcome.  And thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: izzy99</title>
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		<dc:creator>izzy99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me dumb, but it took a bit of thought to figure out American History Association versus those Aha! moments in life when stuff becomes crystal clear. 

What is that word that explains people leaving blog comments for advertising purposes, I usually say spam, I see one of those RP bots already hit this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me dumb, but it took a bit of thought to figure out American History Association versus those Aha! moments in life when stuff becomes crystal clear. </p>
<p>What is that word that explains people leaving blog comments for advertising purposes, I usually say spam, I see one of those RP bots already hit this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Go RON GO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go RON GO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote Ron Paul for President!
Legalize Freedom!</description>
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Legalize Freedom!</p>
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		<title>By: The Freak Show that is the AHA &#171; The Academy&#8217;s Bench Warmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Freak Show that is the AHA &#171; The Academy&#8217;s Bench Warmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Job Market by Geschichte Grad on December 18th, 2007   Over at The Edge of the American West, Ari Kelman&#8217;s giving out a few free tips on dealing with the AHA.&#160; For those on the job market, or headed there soon, it&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Job Market by Geschichte Grad on December 18th, 2007   Over at The Edge of the American West, Ari Kelman&#8217;s giving out a few free tips on dealing with the AHA.&nbsp; For those on the job market, or headed there soon, it&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Alpers</title>
		<link>http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/aha/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Alpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought that there&#039;s a kind of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_From_Omelas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas&lt;/a&gt; quality to the AHA meat market, especially once one has a tenure-track job (and even more when one has tenure).  

It&#039;s easy to forget that in the basement of our lovely profession are too many PhDs chasing too few jobs.  Then you go to the AHA and come face to face with the anxiety (and worse) coursing through the sea of graduate students.  Yikes!

Though I suppose to give LeGuin&#039;s fictional city some credit, only one person is being tortured to keep Omelas happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that there&#8217;s a kind of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_From_Omelas" rel="nofollow">Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas</a> quality to the AHA meat market, especially once one has a tenure-track job (and even more when one has tenure).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to forget that in the basement of our lovely profession are too many PhDs chasing too few jobs.  Then you go to the AHA and come face to face with the anxiety (and worse) coursing through the sea of graduate students.  Yikes!</p>
<p>Though I suppose to give LeGuin&#8217;s fictional city some credit, only one person is being tortured to keep Omelas happy.</p>
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		<title>By: matt w</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;fear-and-loathing&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s a great idea! Someone should Hunter S. Thompson one of these things.

Seriously,
&lt;i&gt;I hope I’m not overstepping&lt;/i&gt;
that sounds like it&#039;s over the line into obsequious to me (isn&#039;t this question pretty routine?) But I have a hard time imagining that anyone will remember your performance on the initial phone calls by the post-AHA meeting, unless you make a major pain of yourself. Though who knows what evil lurks in the heart of search committee members.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s a great idea! Someone should Hunter S. Thompson one of these things.</p>
<p>Seriously,<br />
<i>I hope I’m not overstepping</i><br />
that sounds like it&#8217;s over the line into obsequious to me (isn&#8217;t this question pretty routine?) But I have a hard time imagining that anyone will remember your performance on the initial phone calls by the post-AHA meeting, unless you make a major pain of yourself. Though who knows what evil lurks in the heart of search committee members.</p>
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